So, I just had a sudden realization that I have been on the Northeast Raves mailing list longer than any other mailing list ever... my original subscription was on a Wildcat BBS with a special client GUI software that ran on Windows 3.1 to be able to access the Internet. I think it was called "The Gateway BBS" in NYC. Geez... it was a more primitive version of what they seem to have (?!) now (still?!).